They were prisoners of war. Israel strips POWs of their clothing as the easiest possible way to prove there's no suicide bombs. The photo I saw was in a large depression that was dug to minimize visibility from the outside. They were not being paraded through city streets. They were not naked, they had their underwear which covers as much as a swim suit does.
I do not know why the photo was taken except possibly as a record. It isn't the sort of thing that should be leaked to the public. Idiot soldiers with their social media accounts.
You are wrong. See this Washington Post article on the subject. I agree with the author of this blog that the sole purpose was to degrade and humiliate the Palestinians. We have seen these kind of depraved behaviors over and over again from the out-of-control Israeli soldiers, (most of whom have barely come of age), who love to dehumanize the Palestinians at every opportunity.
Thank you for sharing this article as well! There’s a gap between the official justification and the actual impact that the act is bound to have on these men, and that’s where I was attempting to draw the reader’s attention. The article you shared does a good job of focusing on the human impact.
These prisoners weren't nude nor were they paraded through a public place. This is just bad optics.
Mind you, Hamas paraded a naked female prisoner through Gaza with crowds of people spitting on her and bragged about it on social media. THAT was a bad nude.
Let's just leave it that we disagree as to the significance of the stripping and agree the photo should not have been published.. This is a blog about recreational nudity and not the Israeli-Hamas conflict.
I did read the article and found nothing to change my mind. I doubt if you read the link I gave.
Thank you so much for recognizing this and advocating for understanding and acceptance of others in the same way we want to be accepted. I sometimes have a similar conversation with myself regarding "rights" over our body.
For example, I find the imposition of birthing on women's bodies horrifying. When I think about rights and priorities, I sometimes chafe against worries that we can't be nude because it seems more trite than being forced to birth. But they I think they can both be important and if I defined which one was more important, I'd be taking away from another the same choice I want.
More recently, I've started feeling similar about the sex industry/prostitutes and the judgements on people who choose to participate in that. Isn't that just another way of saying we want control over another's body? As a woman, my lived experience is likely going to be different than a man's, as there is a clear gendered difference in the majority, but might I chose differently if that didn't exist?
I had a visceral reaction to those pictures in the news, which I found interesting, and I think it was because there was obviously no consent. And, historically, the display of power over others does involve this lack of consent and the impact of it. The rape of women and men as symbols of war is also well documented.
The fortunate part is what everyone has stories beyond the snapshots in time. Sometimes, from the worst nudes, the strongest advocates can rise.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. You bring up some very good points and perspectives on the burdens that bodies bear, especially women’s bodies but of course also men’s bodies... In different ways, yes, but burdens nonetheless.
Nice article but I find it somewhat distressing that the points you made have to be made. Forced nudity has been used for ages to demean,degrade and dehumanize people. I think the key point is as so often the case, one of consent or far to often these day the lack of consent. As promoters of nudism(and i guess any other lifestyle ) is to accept others lived experience. If he tells you that the day at nude beach,club, pool party was the horrifying,terrifying humiliating then it was, even if you had a wonderful time. The hard thing as enthusiasts is accepting that what we think of as a freeing, life affirming lifestyle is not for everybody.
That’s a good point... it shouldn’t need to be stated, and yet I don’t think I’ve ever really heard these ideas expressly touted as values of body freedom. I think because it lets in a challenge to the idea that nudism/embracing nudity is easy and for everyone. It doesn’t need to be! Tolerance, respect, and choice are what’s most important.
What happened with the Palestinians.
They were prisoners of war. Israel strips POWs of their clothing as the easiest possible way to prove there's no suicide bombs. The photo I saw was in a large depression that was dug to minimize visibility from the outside. They were not being paraded through city streets. They were not naked, they had their underwear which covers as much as a swim suit does.
I do not know why the photo was taken except possibly as a record. It isn't the sort of thing that should be leaked to the public. Idiot soldiers with their social media accounts.
Yes, this is also what I read on the subject while looking into the story.
You are wrong. See this Washington Post article on the subject. I agree with the author of this blog that the sole purpose was to degrade and humiliate the Palestinians. We have seen these kind of depraved behaviors over and over again from the out-of-control Israeli soldiers, (most of whom have barely come of age), who love to dehumanize the Palestinians at every opportunity.
https://wapo.st/3Tpt06O
Thank you for sharing this article as well! There’s a gap between the official justification and the actual impact that the act is bound to have on these men, and that’s where I was attempting to draw the reader’s attention. The article you shared does a good job of focusing on the human impact.
https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/stripped-bare-hamas-prisoner-searches
LOL! WaPo is not an arbiter of right and wrong.
These prisoners weren't nude nor were they paraded through a public place. This is just bad optics.
Mind you, Hamas paraded a naked female prisoner through Gaza with crowds of people spitting on her and bragged about it on social media. THAT was a bad nude.
I doubt that you even read the WaPo article I shared. The Washington Post a little more reputable than whoever Ryan McBeth is.
Let's just leave it that we disagree as to the significance of the stripping and agree the photo should not have been published.. This is a blog about recreational nudity and not the Israeli-Hamas conflict.
I did read the article and found nothing to change my mind. I doubt if you read the link I gave.
Yes, you're right, Timothy. There are bad nudes.
Thank you so much for recognizing this and advocating for understanding and acceptance of others in the same way we want to be accepted. I sometimes have a similar conversation with myself regarding "rights" over our body.
For example, I find the imposition of birthing on women's bodies horrifying. When I think about rights and priorities, I sometimes chafe against worries that we can't be nude because it seems more trite than being forced to birth. But they I think they can both be important and if I defined which one was more important, I'd be taking away from another the same choice I want.
More recently, I've started feeling similar about the sex industry/prostitutes and the judgements on people who choose to participate in that. Isn't that just another way of saying we want control over another's body? As a woman, my lived experience is likely going to be different than a man's, as there is a clear gendered difference in the majority, but might I chose differently if that didn't exist?
I had a visceral reaction to those pictures in the news, which I found interesting, and I think it was because there was obviously no consent. And, historically, the display of power over others does involve this lack of consent and the impact of it. The rape of women and men as symbols of war is also well documented.
The fortunate part is what everyone has stories beyond the snapshots in time. Sometimes, from the worst nudes, the strongest advocates can rise.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. You bring up some very good points and perspectives on the burdens that bodies bear, especially women’s bodies but of course also men’s bodies... In different ways, yes, but burdens nonetheless.
Wishing you the best!
Nice article but I find it somewhat distressing that the points you made have to be made. Forced nudity has been used for ages to demean,degrade and dehumanize people. I think the key point is as so often the case, one of consent or far to often these day the lack of consent. As promoters of nudism(and i guess any other lifestyle ) is to accept others lived experience. If he tells you that the day at nude beach,club, pool party was the horrifying,terrifying humiliating then it was, even if you had a wonderful time. The hard thing as enthusiasts is accepting that what we think of as a freeing, life affirming lifestyle is not for everybody.
That’s a good point... it shouldn’t need to be stated, and yet I don’t think I’ve ever really heard these ideas expressly touted as values of body freedom. I think because it lets in a challenge to the idea that nudism/embracing nudity is easy and for everyone. It doesn’t need to be! Tolerance, respect, and choice are what’s most important.