Interesting but.. I didn't download the full thing.. so I might sound stupid but, I think that the people who were answering this were 1. Nudist or naturists 2. People who basically like nudity cuz of pleasure.
I'm saying this because some of the answers are really like literally saying that.. + I know people in the states are stuck up , but no one asked those who are under 18, yet they are for sure the most. How do you say that.. self-aware body wise or something?..
I also find the result that the younger " adults" have skinny dipped more than old generations.. I don't know why but I find it absolutely not true.
I also find it interesting and in a way I learned that a while ago actually, that the the Richer people, are the more adventurous ones.. whether that means being a nudist or naturist.. or even swingers with expensive reservoirs or cruises etc.
On one hand, possibly accurate, sadly. On the other hand barely over 1000 people polled means that it polled less than 20 people "per state", and anyone with an ounce of sense would recognize that attitudes about a lot of things, but especially nudity, whether or not its serial, women's rights, etc. all vary *wildly* between US states, to a point that, on some topics, its almost like 2-3 completely different countries. Let's see a poll that isn't such a tiny percentage of the whole population that it could easily be skewed, despite the apparent range of demographics, by purely being mostly southern states, or mostly the east coast, or some other quirk in the data set.
Yes, the United States is a very diverse country. A similar YouGov poll in the UK showed a wide range of opinions about nudity. My impression is that broadly speaking the UK has more liberal attitudes to nudity than the US and that some countries on the European continent such as Denmark, Spain, Czech Republic are more accepting of the human body than in the UK. But anywhere you go there are people who if they saw their neighbour sunbathing naked would be shocked to the core while the neighbour on the other side could be perfectly OK with it.
The thing that I find puzzling is why there is such a strong taboo about seeing female nipples. I find breasts attractive and so do many of us I assume, but why is it that nipples in particular are often regarded as so shocking that the sight of one could harm a child? In the version of the Godfather films edited for television the scene where Al Pacino's character sees his wife topless on their wedding night is clumsily censored but later in the film someone is shot in the eye and we see all the horror of the cinema version.
Media. Decades, on decades, one decades, of the US media treating women's breastfeeding as "nudity", and either censoring them, and/or pushing merely showing them as being pornographic. All built on, ironically, your own statement, "...I find breasts attractive...", which, because of this would almost certainly trigger a very loud reaction from the very women trying to fight for topless freedom, to the effect, "It's not about whether or not you think my tits are attractive asshole!" Which just makes the whole thing even more of a mess over here.
Seriously.. I hate auto complete. I caught the instance when it tried to replace breasts with beasts, but utterly failed to see it replacing the other one with breastfeeding... and you can't even edit the flipping thing after to fix it... sigh...
Clicking on the 3 dots on the top right of a post gives a drop down menu which includes 'Edit'.
You can often disable auto-complete in the browser settings. I hate it too, as it tends to want to correct my spelling when I use my native English language to other versions of English which spell many words differently, despite me repeatedly setting auto-correct to use UK English.
Actually, at least one mine, you apparently have to click on your name to see the specific post, which "then" gives you the option. No idea why, but the three dots are bottom right of a post in the app on my phone, and only offers "delete". No idea why. I'll try to remember how the f to get to the edit feature next time. :p
I'm not trying to suggest here that women should only be topless if they have attractive breasts. Any woman should be able to take her top off in any situation where men commonly do the same. But surely we can be honest enough to say various aspects of the human body can be attractive. I respect the right of anyone to be naked (or woman topless) in an appropriate situation whatever their body is like.
And I did not imply such. I simply was pointing out that mentioning such is likely, for some women who want the right, to be a major red flag. One of them I know well, having followed her for some time, gets quite pissed that a) the first thing some morons do on seeing one of her topless freedom vids is telling her, "I like your tits.", and b) being a "typical male nudist", as she puts its, by suggesting that the solution to topless equality should be, "Just advocate for every to be allowed to go fully nude." Or, as she describes it, "Topless equality can be solved by equating it with men being allowed to have their dick out, because that is somehow the same thing."
Now, personally, I think she kind of over reacts with some of this, but I can also see her point. When 90% of the guys who claim to support you try to comment on your body, as though that is totally appropriate, 99% of the nudists who claim to support you suggest that nude advocacy is the way to solve topless equality, for some reason, and virtually every service on the internet, outside pron sites, even when their own TOS says otherwise, is constantly taking down your videos because haters keep flashing your topless vids as pron, instead of information/advocacy, and no real person ever actually reviews them to determine this is false, nor recognizes, even if they do, that you are being harassed by take down notices, and having a way to prevent such in the future, you can kind of see why she a) stopped calling herself a nudist, and b) gets real pissed when someone starts commenting on "finding parts of her body attractive."
I very much see her point, given the history of both harassment, and bloody stupidity, shown by certain people, whether they support her cause or not.
Topfreedom is related to naturism but not the same thing. The idea that women have to cover a part of their bodies that men can freely show is is very strange. I've often been on beaches where there have been topless and/or nude women but I wouldn't dream of making any comments about how they looked, staring or taking pictures even if privately I think that some are more attractive than others. It's not beautiful body contest, although one woman I know felt that going topless on one fashionable beach she went to was indeed a beautiful body contest but on another beach in another country everyone could be accepted for who they were.
Not disagreeing. I was merely pointing out that women, at least in the US, where things are way more complicated, react badly to certain comments, and the assumptions that tend to go with them. Two of those are, 1) you only want me to have this because you want to see it's, and 2) if you are a nudist, you probably don't comprehend why pushing for full nudity is not going to make me see you as an ally.
I am not in disagreement with you. I am just looking at the advocacy for topless freedom, and more, from the perspective of, "Even for the women advocating for it, or more, things get complicated, and the way men talk about it can only complicate things, unintentionally."
1,083 is hardly representative of the +340,000,000 population in the US. Picking 1,083 people from each state and asking them the same questions as in the original survey will likely lead to a big variance in the results.
With the current political climate in the US it is possible that more people will be inclined to keep their nudism low profile, so they may not respond truthfully to this type of poll topic.
YouGov may be regarded as having a good reputation, but during recent UK election campaigns many polls have been wide of the mark once the actual results are published.
Seems nudity is more acceptable than it used to be
Interesting but.. I didn't download the full thing.. so I might sound stupid but, I think that the people who were answering this were 1. Nudist or naturists 2. People who basically like nudity cuz of pleasure.
I'm saying this because some of the answers are really like literally saying that.. + I know people in the states are stuck up , but no one asked those who are under 18, yet they are for sure the most. How do you say that.. self-aware body wise or something?..
I also find the result that the younger " adults" have skinny dipped more than old generations.. I don't know why but I find it absolutely not true.
I also find it interesting and in a way I learned that a while ago actually, that the the Richer people, are the more adventurous ones.. whether that means being a nudist or naturist.. or even swingers with expensive reservoirs or cruises etc.
All in all what all of this actually tells us?
On one hand, possibly accurate, sadly. On the other hand barely over 1000 people polled means that it polled less than 20 people "per state", and anyone with an ounce of sense would recognize that attitudes about a lot of things, but especially nudity, whether or not its serial, women's rights, etc. all vary *wildly* between US states, to a point that, on some topics, its almost like 2-3 completely different countries. Let's see a poll that isn't such a tiny percentage of the whole population that it could easily be skewed, despite the apparent range of demographics, by purely being mostly southern states, or mostly the east coast, or some other quirk in the data set.
Yes, the United States is a very diverse country. A similar YouGov poll in the UK showed a wide range of opinions about nudity. My impression is that broadly speaking the UK has more liberal attitudes to nudity than the US and that some countries on the European continent such as Denmark, Spain, Czech Republic are more accepting of the human body than in the UK. But anywhere you go there are people who if they saw their neighbour sunbathing naked would be shocked to the core while the neighbour on the other side could be perfectly OK with it.
The thing that I find puzzling is why there is such a strong taboo about seeing female nipples. I find breasts attractive and so do many of us I assume, but why is it that nipples in particular are often regarded as so shocking that the sight of one could harm a child? In the version of the Godfather films edited for television the scene where Al Pacino's character sees his wife topless on their wedding night is clumsily censored but later in the film someone is shot in the eye and we see all the horror of the cinema version.
Media. Decades, on decades, one decades, of the US media treating women's breastfeeding as "nudity", and either censoring them, and/or pushing merely showing them as being pornographic. All built on, ironically, your own statement, "...I find breasts attractive...", which, because of this would almost certainly trigger a very loud reaction from the very women trying to fight for topless freedom, to the effect, "It's not about whether or not you think my tits are attractive asshole!" Which just makes the whole thing even more of a mess over here.
Seriously.. I hate auto complete. I caught the instance when it tried to replace breasts with beasts, but utterly failed to see it replacing the other one with breastfeeding... and you can't even edit the flipping thing after to fix it... sigh...
Clicking on the 3 dots on the top right of a post gives a drop down menu which includes 'Edit'.
You can often disable auto-complete in the browser settings. I hate it too, as it tends to want to correct my spelling when I use my native English language to other versions of English which spell many words differently, despite me repeatedly setting auto-correct to use UK English.
Actually, at least one mine, you apparently have to click on your name to see the specific post, which "then" gives you the option. No idea why, but the three dots are bottom right of a post in the app on my phone, and only offers "delete". No idea why. I'll try to remember how the f to get to the edit feature next time. :p
I'm not trying to suggest here that women should only be topless if they have attractive breasts. Any woman should be able to take her top off in any situation where men commonly do the same. But surely we can be honest enough to say various aspects of the human body can be attractive. I respect the right of anyone to be naked (or woman topless) in an appropriate situation whatever their body is like.
And I did not imply such. I simply was pointing out that mentioning such is likely, for some women who want the right, to be a major red flag. One of them I know well, having followed her for some time, gets quite pissed that a) the first thing some morons do on seeing one of her topless freedom vids is telling her, "I like your tits.", and b) being a "typical male nudist", as she puts its, by suggesting that the solution to topless equality should be, "Just advocate for every to be allowed to go fully nude." Or, as she describes it, "Topless equality can be solved by equating it with men being allowed to have their dick out, because that is somehow the same thing."
Now, personally, I think she kind of over reacts with some of this, but I can also see her point. When 90% of the guys who claim to support you try to comment on your body, as though that is totally appropriate, 99% of the nudists who claim to support you suggest that nude advocacy is the way to solve topless equality, for some reason, and virtually every service on the internet, outside pron sites, even when their own TOS says otherwise, is constantly taking down your videos because haters keep flashing your topless vids as pron, instead of information/advocacy, and no real person ever actually reviews them to determine this is false, nor recognizes, even if they do, that you are being harassed by take down notices, and having a way to prevent such in the future, you can kind of see why she a) stopped calling herself a nudist, and b) gets real pissed when someone starts commenting on "finding parts of her body attractive."
I very much see her point, given the history of both harassment, and bloody stupidity, shown by certain people, whether they support her cause or not.
Topfreedom is related to naturism but not the same thing. The idea that women have to cover a part of their bodies that men can freely show is is very strange. I've often been on beaches where there have been topless and/or nude women but I wouldn't dream of making any comments about how they looked, staring or taking pictures even if privately I think that some are more attractive than others. It's not beautiful body contest, although one woman I know felt that going topless on one fashionable beach she went to was indeed a beautiful body contest but on another beach in another country everyone could be accepted for who they were.
Not disagreeing. I was merely pointing out that women, at least in the US, where things are way more complicated, react badly to certain comments, and the assumptions that tend to go with them. Two of those are, 1) you only want me to have this because you want to see it's, and 2) if you are a nudist, you probably don't comprehend why pushing for full nudity is not going to make me see you as an ally.
I am not in disagreement with you. I am just looking at the advocacy for topless freedom, and more, from the perspective of, "Even for the women advocating for it, or more, things get complicated, and the way men talk about it can only complicate things, unintentionally."
1,083 is hardly representative of the +340,000,000 population in the US. Picking 1,083 people from each state and asking them the same questions as in the original survey will likely lead to a big variance in the results.
With the current political climate in the US it is possible that more people will be inclined to keep their nudism low profile, so they may not respond truthfully to this type of poll topic.
YouGov may be regarded as having a good reputation, but during recent UK election campaigns many polls have been wide of the mark once the actual results are published.