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Bill Harris's avatar

Cis, white, hetero, married dude here. I'm hoping that the following paragraph was inspired by Orient Land Trust's Valley View Hot Springs, for that is what I've always found there:

The best clothing-optional hot springs nude soak sessions I’ve been to have one thing in common: they feel genuinely relaxed. Not performatively loose, but actually easy. Nobody is working too hard to be seen or to see. People talk, laugh, swim, read, and exist without a constant undercurrent of unspoken negotiation. That feeling doesn’t happen by accident. It’s built by the people in the space deciding, together, that everyone gets to be there on their own terms.

Max J.'s avatar

My partner and I have had a similar ongoing dialogue about this topic lately. We're both queer and gender non-conforming, so at first we thought we just no longer felt comfortable in gay male spaces (which ANY space seems to become really, once enough cis gay men show up), but now we've developed the perspective that this seems to be a problem with men in general. Consequently, I tend to think feminism should be a more central value for people who engage in nudist spaces.

It seems like gay men tend to think they are above replicating patriarchal social and sexual norms simply by virtue of living a non-traditional lifestyle, but that is not the case in my experience. They also share the same predatory boundary-violating behaviors as heterosexual men, the tendency to make any situation about their own individual sexual or emotional experience, the objectification of others' bodies, and the expectation that the environment around them must conform to their masculine desires.

Not surprising though, since gay men (especially gay naturists/nudists) tend to insist on excluding women from their spaces. How would they ever hear any opinions on their behavior other than those of the cis gay male?

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