Thanks Evan for standing your ground in these comment threads. It is unbelievable we still have such outright ignorance in our community but I appreciate you fighting for the LGBTQ+ community and naturist community relentlessly and always only conveying actual facts and news as it unfolds. You're the best!
Hey thanks, Kane. I appreciate all who are willing to respectfully engage in the dialogue here. That’s what makes this place a community. Disagreements are okay, but disrespect is not. And I appreciate your regular contributions too.
Very reminiscent of the WNBR in Wisconsin. I remember part of the legislation specifically called out a pass on people who were photographing and videoing for the purposes of reporting. This bothered me because it seemed like a dog whistle for haters.
And now here it is. These haters have no reason to go to Pride (where these pics were taken) except to take pictures, dox people and go to extreme lengths to persecute others for different belief systems, firing up rage machines and threatening good people. If anything, these people should be the ones who get persecuted for creating dangerous circumstances.
In the community of naturism and even outside of that, I really don't give a flying f* about your political leanings. I obviously have my leanings and beliefs but recognize where politics are different than people. So if you have a conservative approach to the world, you do you. However, these groups are self-named ultra-right groups who are stirring up a mob. It is a fact, not an opinion.
The GTA group is a good group. They have strong and thought through processes. They are careful and don't hesitate to remove people who do not follow rules. They deserve support.
The big problem is that the tech companies went Wall Street. I am not saying Wall Street is anti-pride or anti-nudist, Wall Street doesn't care. Wall Street only cares about making more $$$. Unfortunately, the $$$ comes into whatever clickbait item brings in the most web traffic, "firing up rage machines and threatening good people", as you put it.
Sadly, there is no way to combat it. I would love to go back to the '90s internet, where anyone could make an Angel Fire webpage and upload it on Tripod for nothing to promote their group, club, belief system, etc. Have it be nudism or that the universe is controlled by a big Turtle, unfortunately, the cat is out of the bag, and we won't go back.
The best to do, I believe, is to, yes, remove any photos of children (as sadly, right now, at least on this side of the Atlantic, that escalates problems), but mention that they are welcome and not to worry but carry on. Ignoring the hate and threats. When threats come, it is best not to engage or escalate. I think Bare Oaks is making the wise decision of hiring extra security. I think that is what we need to do, sadly. Most people won't act on threats, and as soon as they see any kind of security they run. The ones that do act, are always the ones who's mug shots that end up on the news.
Thank you! But for the record this was not written by me, but by a contributor who feared using their real name for the risk of retributive acts by the parties reported on above.
I am disappointed about the vitriol directed at the 'right". I am as right as they come and a naturist. Lumping everyone into these group helps to divide, not unite. There are likely many leftist groups who oppose nudism. It's a matter of ignorance, which is prevalent across the political spectrum, and requires education, not accusation & labeling.
These are self professed far-right groups, like it or not. They're the ones claiming it, and they're the ones resorting to stochastic terror with their actions. Simply read about these groups and look at who their followers are. I'd also defy you to find one leftist group targeting naturists. I'll wait.
So calling out all conservatives because of some fringe nutjobs with a computer is like lumping all progressives with Antifa. Our relatively small & marginalized community need to be advocates for our positions. Calling out True North and their Neanderthal acolytes is correct. Calling out all conservatives is not or you will find yourself with fewer & fewer supporters when we need to expand the base.
This article is about specific groups and their media influence. It doesn't say anything about "all" conservatives. I'd encourage you to read it again—assuming you actually read it to begin with.
Also, don't say pahtahtoe. It's not a word and just sounds dumb. 😂
She's right wing bud. That's just what she is. Find a leftist group that engages in doxxing of nudists and tell us about it. Do it. Because you won't, you can't, because they exist only in your imagination, where the left poses the same threat to nudists that the right does.
I am just making a point that is apparently beyond your capability to grasp. As a result you have lost my support. I abhorrent the actions of North Star and they are admittedly right wing but we are not all like that. Are you a bomb throwing Antifa activist because you are a leftist? I didn't think so. Give others the same consideration.
I don't care who you vote for. I don't think you're a violent person because you're right wing. Plenty of nudists are right-wingers and I know because I talk to them at resorts and on the beach. But Chaya Raichik aka Libs of Tik Tok is right wing, and she and her followers pose a violent threat to nudists now. You don't personally pose that threat, but she and her followers do, and they are right wing. You want to engage in fantasy that the right wing does not have a violence problem because it makes you feel better.
I'm also not a leftist, which is a word typically used in the US to denote a communist or anarchist.
I am neither left nor right. I am more of a Penn Jillette form of Libertarianism, and I have had more attacks on social media by a far-right group, so I would like to chime in. Yes, there are also far-left nudist groups who oppose nudism; I encountered them on Twitter (when it was still called that), who do not think that kids or families should be at nudist resorts, that nudist resorts should be for swingers only.
Also, if you remember, there was another swim event in Canada a few years back that was canceled by some LGBT anti-child abuse group, believing the event would attract pedos.
Sounds like Libs of TT and True North are courting a heap of legal trouble. I assume they can be sued for outright lying and there appears to be a few in their posts. Could these naturist groups hire an attorney and a good public relations person? The article mentions they've threatened other groups. How have they responded? Maybe join with them?Were their comments about the police untrue?
Typical right wing, ultra extremists.... Fabricating stories and acting like they've been attacked when in reality they're engaged in unprovoked aggression.
Absolutely true about naturists, they are all over the political spectrum. But the groups that are targeting the Toronto-based naturists are undeniably on the ideological right.
t's far beyond time we begin to fight for more solid laws and protections. Groups like these hold power because of the fringe nature of naturism. They'd sure start losing their oomph the more legitimate we got.
Also, more than ever, we need to stand firm.im support of LGBTQIA+ in light of too many comments on this article. Still far too much ignorant posturing.
"Copying a tactic that’s been used by anti-LGBTQ --conservative-- groups "
I think the wording should be changed to "fringe" because that is what they really are. A very vocal fringe group not really representative of conservatives. Most people I talk to do not agree with that group.
As a general statement, far right groups have no problem whatsoever with the LBGT community. It is only when children are involved in any way that they want to intercede. Stop framing it as if conservatives dislike the LGBT community that is simply not true. We all have LGBT friends and neighbors and relations and no one cares any longer.
Nobody said anything like that anywhere. This is a story about far-right groups that are targeting naturists and LGBTQ people. It's not a broad statement about conservatives. I know many conservative naturists and many gay naturists and even some who identify as both. But the specific groups that are targeting GTA Skinnydippers are far-right groups. It's simply a point of fact. I've written about similar threats from purported liberals, for example, here: https://www.planetnude.co/i/104910293/twitter-influencers-throw-nudists-under-the-bus. Find me a leftist group that is doxing nudists and pride attendees and I'll happily publish another story about that. But this is happening before our eyes by groups that profess to be on the ideological right. It's not a matter of journalistic framing. It's just the truth.
This is exactly the issue and why outsiders get the mixed message that naturism is sexual. One could be an ally of a certain group or demographic, but that does not mean they need to advertise, which the booth was, at that venue, because it sends a mixed message.
It is the good old saying of "Know your audience"
Pride is an event celebrating liberated sexuality. As much as I support adults' right to celebrate that, it is not the place for a non-sexual nudity group to advertise.
British Naturists set up booths outside football (soccer) clubs, trying to target the athletic crowd, which makes far more sense.
This statement is categorically false. Nudist communities are ABSOLUTELY not Asexual (or nonsexual) and (mostly male) adults in many nudist communities show abhorrent sexual behaviour time and time again. This is FACT. I'd trust a child of mine to be far more safe in a pride parade than alone with a group of men at a closed off nudist resort, tbqh.
YOUR STATEMENT is categorically false. Maybe because you are NOT going to nudist or naturist resorts but swinger places. Every nudist place I go to is a mix of women, men, and families, and they would kick you out for any sexual behavior.
Have you ever been to an AANR resort? Have you been to Bare Oaks? Are you even a nudist? Most nudists in America, believe it or not, are conservative.
Trying to keep this to the facts at hand, Chaya Raichik, the owner of the LIbs of Tik Tok Account, is an ultra orthodox virgin Jew who mostly targets gay and trans people for harassment. She supports Trump, she is far-right.
If she finds a social media post she does not like by a person who is gay or trans, she tells her followers, they figure out where that person works, and they try to get them fired. Her followers called in bomb threats to a children's hospital in Boston.
Well, she supports bombing children in hospitals in Palestine. So, I am not surprised. Maybe as nudists, we should start attacking her back with all the names of dead Palestinian children and Palestinian flags?
You seem to be suggesting that children were present without their parents or without the awareness of their parents. You also seem to be referencing sexual behavior. I'd ask for sources for both of these bits of information, because I believe them to be made up.
I have to agree. I was a nude person at Toronto pride and walked with GTA SD and TNT MEN when we walked together. During the street fair, there was not ONE moment when a child ran away in fright simply by seeing my body, nor did any parent object to seeing me as well. Not that I even dared to interact with children myself of course, I simply acted how I would've with clothes on. Honestly, these people act as if we can't behave ourselves around kids. Reasonably, I expect that parents informed their children that they may see a naked body or two, and that the kids were ok with it.
I agree with everything you said, especially your last sentence. It should be the parent's right, as to what their children are exposed to (pun not interned).
However, the issue is was Pride the right event for GTA SD to promote their club for non-sexual nudity at? I say no.
It would be like promoting a steak house, or selling leather hand bags at a animal rights march.
The analogy is a false equivalence that suggests naturism is somehow opposite or antithetical to Pride and the LGBTQ community. It presumes Pride events are inherently sexual—they are not; there may be sexualized displays, but those are also common at nude beaches or various other textile gatherings—In fact, it’s nothing like selling leather at an animal rights protest. GTA Skinnydippers has a long history of participating in Pride, as does FCN, which is Canada’s version of AANR. Many LGBTQ folks are naturists, and are also affiliated with these orgs. Also, many parents choose to bring their children to Pride—not because of a cynical capitalist desire to appeal to consumers, but because they want to teach their children lessons of tolerance, of love, of body autonomy. Naturists belong at Pride just as much as they belong at any public event that encourages freedom of expression and challenging societal norms, because that’s what nudism as a movement, historically, is all about. It honestly doesn’t matter whether or not you feel it’s the right idea, because the choice isn’t yours to make. It belonged to the leaders and members of the group, whose motives are really only known by themselves. But somehow, I suspect, it’s not quite as self serving as you suggest.
Libs of Tiktok is a designated hate group in Canada. They have been proven to be destructive and hateful and lead the people they attack to self harm. Anyone even BEGINNING to take their side is absolutely unworthy of my respect or time. You talk a big game, but you've really just fallen for the if orant propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
Thanks Evan for standing your ground in these comment threads. It is unbelievable we still have such outright ignorance in our community but I appreciate you fighting for the LGBTQ+ community and naturist community relentlessly and always only conveying actual facts and news as it unfolds. You're the best!
Hey thanks, Kane. I appreciate all who are willing to respectfully engage in the dialogue here. That’s what makes this place a community. Disagreements are okay, but disrespect is not. And I appreciate your regular contributions too.
Very reminiscent of the WNBR in Wisconsin. I remember part of the legislation specifically called out a pass on people who were photographing and videoing for the purposes of reporting. This bothered me because it seemed like a dog whistle for haters.
And now here it is. These haters have no reason to go to Pride (where these pics were taken) except to take pictures, dox people and go to extreme lengths to persecute others for different belief systems, firing up rage machines and threatening good people. If anything, these people should be the ones who get persecuted for creating dangerous circumstances.
In the community of naturism and even outside of that, I really don't give a flying f* about your political leanings. I obviously have my leanings and beliefs but recognize where politics are different than people. So if you have a conservative approach to the world, you do you. However, these groups are self-named ultra-right groups who are stirring up a mob. It is a fact, not an opinion.
The GTA group is a good group. They have strong and thought through processes. They are careful and don't hesitate to remove people who do not follow rules. They deserve support.
The big problem is that the tech companies went Wall Street. I am not saying Wall Street is anti-pride or anti-nudist, Wall Street doesn't care. Wall Street only cares about making more $$$. Unfortunately, the $$$ comes into whatever clickbait item brings in the most web traffic, "firing up rage machines and threatening good people", as you put it.
Sadly, there is no way to combat it. I would love to go back to the '90s internet, where anyone could make an Angel Fire webpage and upload it on Tripod for nothing to promote their group, club, belief system, etc. Have it be nudism or that the universe is controlled by a big Turtle, unfortunately, the cat is out of the bag, and we won't go back.
The best to do, I believe, is to, yes, remove any photos of children (as sadly, right now, at least on this side of the Atlantic, that escalates problems), but mention that they are welcome and not to worry but carry on. Ignoring the hate and threats. When threats come, it is best not to engage or escalate. I think Bare Oaks is making the wise decision of hiring extra security. I think that is what we need to do, sadly. Most people won't act on threats, and as soon as they see any kind of security they run. The ones that do act, are always the ones who's mug shots that end up on the news.
Why is it always the people on the side of those trying desperately to harm others that always come in screaming 'we need to find common ground!' 🙄
Thank you Evan for important reporting.
Thank you! But for the record this was not written by me, but by a contributor who feared using their real name for the risk of retributive acts by the parties reported on above.
I am disappointed about the vitriol directed at the 'right". I am as right as they come and a naturist. Lumping everyone into these group helps to divide, not unite. There are likely many leftist groups who oppose nudism. It's a matter of ignorance, which is prevalent across the political spectrum, and requires education, not accusation & labeling.
These are self professed far-right groups, like it or not. They're the ones claiming it, and they're the ones resorting to stochastic terror with their actions. Simply read about these groups and look at who their followers are. I'd also defy you to find one leftist group targeting naturists. I'll wait.
So calling out all conservatives because of some fringe nutjobs with a computer is like lumping all progressives with Antifa. Our relatively small & marginalized community need to be advocates for our positions. Calling out True North and their Neanderthal acolytes is correct. Calling out all conservatives is not or you will find yourself with fewer & fewer supporters when we need to expand the base.
I dont think anyone has said anything about all conservatives.
Conservatives - right wing; you say potato, I say pahtahtoe.
This article is about specific groups and their media influence. It doesn't say anything about "all" conservatives. I'd encourage you to read it again—assuming you actually read it to begin with.
Also, don't say pahtahtoe. It's not a word and just sounds dumb. 😂
She's right wing bud. That's just what she is. Find a leftist group that engages in doxxing of nudists and tell us about it. Do it. Because you won't, you can't, because they exist only in your imagination, where the left poses the same threat to nudists that the right does.
I am just making a point that is apparently beyond your capability to grasp. As a result you have lost my support. I abhorrent the actions of North Star and they are admittedly right wing but we are not all like that. Are you a bomb throwing Antifa activist because you are a leftist? I didn't think so. Give others the same consideration.
I don't care who you vote for. I don't think you're a violent person because you're right wing. Plenty of nudists are right-wingers and I know because I talk to them at resorts and on the beach. But Chaya Raichik aka Libs of Tik Tok is right wing, and she and her followers pose a violent threat to nudists now. You don't personally pose that threat, but she and her followers do, and they are right wing. You want to engage in fantasy that the right wing does not have a violence problem because it makes you feel better.
I'm also not a leftist, which is a word typically used in the US to denote a communist or anarchist.
I am neither left nor right. I am more of a Penn Jillette form of Libertarianism, and I have had more attacks on social media by a far-right group, so I would like to chime in. Yes, there are also far-left nudist groups who oppose nudism; I encountered them on Twitter (when it was still called that), who do not think that kids or families should be at nudist resorts, that nudist resorts should be for swingers only.
Also, if you remember, there was another swim event in Canada a few years back that was canceled by some LGBT anti-child abuse group, believing the event would attract pedos.
Sounds like Libs of TT and True North are courting a heap of legal trouble. I assume they can be sued for outright lying and there appears to be a few in their posts. Could these naturist groups hire an attorney and a good public relations person? The article mentions they've threatened other groups. How have they responded? Maybe join with them?Were their comments about the police untrue?
Typical right wing, ultra extremists.... Fabricating stories and acting like they've been attacked when in reality they're engaged in unprovoked aggression.
Absolutely true about naturists, they are all over the political spectrum. But the groups that are targeting the Toronto-based naturists are undeniably on the ideological right.
t's far beyond time we begin to fight for more solid laws and protections. Groups like these hold power because of the fringe nature of naturism. They'd sure start losing their oomph the more legitimate we got.
Also, more than ever, we need to stand firm.im support of LGBTQIA+ in light of too many comments on this article. Still far too much ignorant posturing.
"Copying a tactic that’s been used by anti-LGBTQ --conservative-- groups "
I think the wording should be changed to "fringe" because that is what they really are. A very vocal fringe group not really representative of conservatives. Most people I talk to do not agree with that group.
We collectively can change the narrative.
As a general statement, far right groups have no problem whatsoever with the LBGT community. It is only when children are involved in any way that they want to intercede. Stop framing it as if conservatives dislike the LGBT community that is simply not true. We all have LGBT friends and neighbors and relations and no one cares any longer.
Nobody said anything like that anywhere. This is a story about far-right groups that are targeting naturists and LGBTQ people. It's not a broad statement about conservatives. I know many conservative naturists and many gay naturists and even some who identify as both. But the specific groups that are targeting GTA Skinnydippers are far-right groups. It's simply a point of fact. I've written about similar threats from purported liberals, for example, here: https://www.planetnude.co/i/104910293/twitter-influencers-throw-nudists-under-the-bus. Find me a leftist group that is doxing nudists and pride attendees and I'll happily publish another story about that. But this is happening before our eyes by groups that profess to be on the ideological right. It's not a matter of journalistic framing. It's just the truth.
So are you saying that families shouldn't be allowed in naturist settings?
Sounds more like a far left group to me. They are the ones that want more government and more censorship. Every time.
Simply not true. Go do a google search and read into the groups mentioned. They are hard-line far right groups.
Really? In the US it's the right wing acting that way.
Dude, it's both.
GTA Skinnydippers is not a sexually charged group. They're a 30-year-old naturist group that had a booth at a parade.
This is exactly the issue and why outsiders get the mixed message that naturism is sexual. One could be an ally of a certain group or demographic, but that does not mean they need to advertise, which the booth was, at that venue, because it sends a mixed message.
It is the good old saying of "Know your audience"
Pride is an event celebrating liberated sexuality. As much as I support adults' right to celebrate that, it is not the place for a non-sexual nudity group to advertise.
British Naturists set up booths outside football (soccer) clubs, trying to target the athletic crowd, which makes far more sense.
So are you saying there is no family in naturism? That there should not be any children allowed?
"Your" women? 😂😂😂 Please. 😂😂😂
This statement is categorically false. Nudist communities are ABSOLUTELY not Asexual (or nonsexual) and (mostly male) adults in many nudist communities show abhorrent sexual behaviour time and time again. This is FACT. I'd trust a child of mine to be far more safe in a pride parade than alone with a group of men at a closed off nudist resort, tbqh.
YOUR STATEMENT is categorically false. Maybe because you are NOT going to nudist or naturist resorts but swinger places. Every nudist place I go to is a mix of women, men, and families, and they would kick you out for any sexual behavior.
Have you ever been to an AANR resort? Have you been to Bare Oaks? Are you even a nudist? Most nudists in America, believe it or not, are conservative.
Trying to keep this to the facts at hand, Chaya Raichik, the owner of the LIbs of Tik Tok Account, is an ultra orthodox virgin Jew who mostly targets gay and trans people for harassment. She supports Trump, she is far-right.
If she finds a social media post she does not like by a person who is gay or trans, she tells her followers, they figure out where that person works, and they try to get them fired. Her followers called in bomb threats to a children's hospital in Boston.
And they're targeting us now.
Well, she supports bombing children in hospitals in Palestine. So, I am not surprised. Maybe as nudists, we should start attacking her back with all the names of dead Palestinian children and Palestinian flags?
Thank you Marie. You know better than most what terror these “influencers” can evoke.
Calling Libs of TikTok a far right extremist group is calling a spade a spade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok
You seem to be suggesting that children were present without their parents or without the awareness of their parents. You also seem to be referencing sexual behavior. I'd ask for sources for both of these bits of information, because I believe them to be made up.
I have to agree. I was a nude person at Toronto pride and walked with GTA SD and TNT MEN when we walked together. During the street fair, there was not ONE moment when a child ran away in fright simply by seeing my body, nor did any parent object to seeing me as well. Not that I even dared to interact with children myself of course, I simply acted how I would've with clothes on. Honestly, these people act as if we can't behave ourselves around kids. Reasonably, I expect that parents informed their children that they may see a naked body or two, and that the kids were ok with it.
I agree with everything you said, especially your last sentence. It should be the parent's right, as to what their children are exposed to (pun not interned).
However, the issue is was Pride the right event for GTA SD to promote their club for non-sexual nudity at? I say no.
It would be like promoting a steak house, or selling leather hand bags at a animal rights march.
The analogy is a false equivalence that suggests naturism is somehow opposite or antithetical to Pride and the LGBTQ community. It presumes Pride events are inherently sexual—they are not; there may be sexualized displays, but those are also common at nude beaches or various other textile gatherings—In fact, it’s nothing like selling leather at an animal rights protest. GTA Skinnydippers has a long history of participating in Pride, as does FCN, which is Canada’s version of AANR. Many LGBTQ folks are naturists, and are also affiliated with these orgs. Also, many parents choose to bring their children to Pride—not because of a cynical capitalist desire to appeal to consumers, but because they want to teach their children lessons of tolerance, of love, of body autonomy. Naturists belong at Pride just as much as they belong at any public event that encourages freedom of expression and challenging societal norms, because that’s what nudism as a movement, historically, is all about. It honestly doesn’t matter whether or not you feel it’s the right idea, because the choice isn’t yours to make. It belonged to the leaders and members of the group, whose motives are really only known by themselves. But somehow, I suspect, it’s not quite as self serving as you suggest.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/
Libs of Tiktok is a designated hate group in Canada. They have been proven to be destructive and hateful and lead the people they attack to self harm. Anyone even BEGINNING to take their side is absolutely unworthy of my respect or time. You talk a big game, but you've really just fallen for the if orant propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
So it appears that you are deeming GTA SD not a "true" naturist association because they showed up to support Pride? 🤔