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Jerry Krummel's avatar

As a former legislator and local elected government official I would recommend a couple of things for FODB to attempt to do. First do not take pictures, because it could potentially violate someone's right to privacy. But there would and should not be any thing against members of the Friends group to do their own observations. Pick different times and places within the park to observe behavior. If in appropriate behavior is exhibited, note the time, place in the park and type of activity that was observed. What this does it to give you actual data to show the incidences that have been observed. A part if this would also be to observe the number of people in the park at the time of the obsevation. This way you actually see what type of behavior is happening and the actual numbers of incidences versus the number of people using the park at the time of the observation. I would also suggest doing observations at different times of day and evening, different days of the week (weekday vs. weekend). When observing, do not be obivious. In other words try to be somewhat undercover. It will help if you can recruit local users of the park to help. This type of approach can carry much more weight than guessing at what the incidence rate is in relation to the number of users. I would also suggest starting now and then continuing into the summer months as it gives data relative to time of year. I hope this is helpful. I know it is a lot of work, but you may find it is worth it.

Will this work on local government officials. For the ones whose attitude is "don't confuse me any facts, I have already made up my mind" NO But for local officials wanting to have actual facts it could be helpful.

I hope you find this helpful.

Jerry

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Kevin O's avatar

Evan, thanks for giving this the attention it needs.

That said, I think everyone needs to be honest about the types of behaviors any reasonable beach goer (nude or clothed) and neighboring resident is concerned about. Yes, unwelcome filming is an invasion of privacy and should not be tolerated when witnessed. Yes, inappropriate comments about another’s body are rude, cruel hearted and have to be addressed by the norms among those who visit the beach. However, I’m talking about sexual activity in public.

Has anyone brought this up as the behaviors that are concerning? A tried and true nudist has better sense than to do this. Unfortunately, as havens like Denny Blane Beach become popular, people who have other agenda like getting a sexual thrill will show up. Further making this a problem is that this behavior is sensationalized and sought out on various social media platforms and porn sites.

So my question to Sophie Amity Debs and other FODB members is what have you seen or hear of regarding this type of behavior and how do you propose addressing it? Please don’t tell me it doesn’t happen. It does and unfortunately nudists get lumped into the tiny cohort of people who go to nudists locations to do this type of thing.

Incredibly successful and popular Gunnison Beach in NJ has lifeguards watching for swimmers in distress and they also walk along the beach periodically. I’ve never spoken with a fellow nudist who has a problem with this and have never witnessed any intimidation or harassment on the part of the lifeguards. Why would an identifiable person responsible for public safety be problematic as long as there is mutual respect - which there is at Gunnison.

Self policing will not work on people determined to check the box on a sexual experience in a public space. Please consider this before letting philosophy purity get in the way of a sustainable nude friendly Denny Blaine Beach.

Thanks,

Kevin

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