That's an interesting argument. I thought feminism fueled women to "free their breasts" as an equal right to topless men. So I'm curious, how would you relate feminism to AI in art and graphic design?
Well, first of all, Feminism, is neither a movement about "body positivity" not equal rights. Itbis about female supremacy. If you look at even the 1st wave Feminism movement, they were burning down buildings and violent. Fast fwd to today. Feminists were breaching the Supreme Court during the hearings and banging on the doors, violently shouting threats against the candidate and those who were overseeing the hearings.
Re AI: feminists have hijacked AI software and made the AI set the standard of aesthetics and beauty to mean whatever *they* want it to mean. NOT what men find aesthetic. Just look at what Anita Sarkisian did to gaming
I'm a feminist, Shawn. Could you share more about how I did this? Because I'll use that info to do something way more powerful like giving women equal pay and bodily autonomy. Thanks so much!
First of all I did not say, imply or suggest *you* did anything. Do not put words in my mouth.
You will get equal pay when you perform Equal Work. Feminism is a self correcting problem. Name me One Single Right men have, that women do not. Take all the time you need. Thanks for playing! Let me remind you. We are at WW3 Right Now; on the Losing side. You will soon discover how "powerful" you are. Thanks again for playing!!
😂 Hi Shawn, Stay on topic, please. You said feminists hijacked the software. I asked how we did this. I'd really like to know so we can do it again. By the way, a lot of the men here happen to be feminists. Pretty cool, right?
I understand many men here are feminists. They are simply doing it as a mating strategy to curry favor with women. They do not understand that feminists HATE men. They simply USE men to do their dirty work. i.e. the muscle to brow beat other men into towing the feminist narrative.
Don't worry how feminists infiltrated the workplace. This will ALL be over Very soon. I can tell by your speech patterns and inflection you were never trained in the hard sciences.
Know that women have way overplayed their hand and WW3 is upon us. Your will live long enough to see the End of Feminism, as you know it. The end of those men, as well. Pretty Cool!!! Right!!!
Thanks for uncovering this information. Artists might delight that AI is currently limited by filters or programming in its use of nudity and thus gives the artists a way of distinguishing their original works from AI creations. However, as you point out, the bigger issue may be how AI influences and reflects the way the human body and culture will be depicted in the future and how nudity may face another obstacle in being more generally accepted as a natural part of life.
A great article that should have a much wider audience in print and TV media. Please see my art posts on FB’s American Nudist Research Library where I have been talking about communal nudism in art (excluding photography due to social nudity prudery).
PS: I suggest picking a platform where you will get paid. Even an op-ed page in a newspaper will work, but also Atlantic Monthly or sonething like that.
I think this is a fascinating experiment to observe, thanks Evan for tackling it! I also feel like AI is still fresh and new and its full capacity hasn't even been thought of yet. It is a tool that we are constantly improving and altering and still catering to public laws and the conservative majority. Artists, I think, will break AI out of its shell and allow it to express humanity the way we want because that's what artists have always done- pushing the barrier, making the world change because we won't know what we don't see. And I don't think it's AI that is changing how we see ourselves and each other, it's our environments and experiences and it's AI that's reflecting that. Really interesting article though and I look forward to the fruition of AI in the world of art. But I'm not an artist, that's just my opinion
Thanks for this. Personally I feel that this highlights the subtle dangers that AI poses. While everyone considers the big issues like jobs being replaced by AI, many are missing the smaller changes and the effects AI decisions are having on society. My next blog talks about how we train AI and how important it is to challenge it when it gets things wrong. Otherwise things will change slowly and imperceptibly, and one day we will live in a world we don’t recognise and one we didn’t want.
I'm firmly against what we call 'AI', and the only reason we keep saying that it's a genie out of the bottle is that we're too lazy or greedy to slam it back in there. As an actual artist, everything about this so called 'AI' is infuriating.
All of the original pictures—the Manet, certainly, and the Picasso—have a lot of meaning that the AI didn't respond to. The exercise made me think of a passage in Bateson and Bateson's "Angels Fear." Gregory tells Mary Catherine that she's right: "We've gotten so far from the sacred that it's impossible to be sacrilegious." (Paraphrase.) I'm not sure exactly how it works in this context, but I think there is something of the sacred in art, and it doesn't survive translation by AI.
This is really interesting, thanks so much for the exploration and comparisons. If I were an historian, I would be buckling down on preservation right now for a number of reasons.
Generative art so far has failed to impress me, but I do see the threat it can hold for artists who earn a living through commercializing their talents. We've already seen some big lawsuits pop up...
But this is about nudity. I'm torn on whether to praise or deride the safety features. When I think of where revenge acts are now, an unchained AI could ruin a person in minutes. I read the other day about a 16-year-old who was the victim of a gang sexual assault in the Metaverse. Why is that even an option in VR? Is censorship of the human body worth someone's safety? Unfortunately, I don't think we will get it both ways.
As an artist myself, I find this experiment interesting. I am a very visual person and not great with words (description of things in prompts). Because of this, I have found creating images with AI art platforms not a helpful medium for me at all. I had a colleague that was very good with words and could create amazing images with AI. As far as the concerns of nudity bias, like so many other things in life, I worry about future generations and how there world is expanding in many ways but drastically narrowing in others.
This is all due to Feminism.
That's an interesting argument. I thought feminism fueled women to "free their breasts" as an equal right to topless men. So I'm curious, how would you relate feminism to AI in art and graphic design?
Well, first of all, Feminism, is neither a movement about "body positivity" not equal rights. Itbis about female supremacy. If you look at even the 1st wave Feminism movement, they were burning down buildings and violent. Fast fwd to today. Feminists were breaching the Supreme Court during the hearings and banging on the doors, violently shouting threats against the candidate and those who were overseeing the hearings.
Re AI: feminists have hijacked AI software and made the AI set the standard of aesthetics and beauty to mean whatever *they* want it to mean. NOT what men find aesthetic. Just look at what Anita Sarkisian did to gaming
I'm a feminist, Shawn. Could you share more about how I did this? Because I'll use that info to do something way more powerful like giving women equal pay and bodily autonomy. Thanks so much!
First of all I did not say, imply or suggest *you* did anything. Do not put words in my mouth.
You will get equal pay when you perform Equal Work. Feminism is a self correcting problem. Name me One Single Right men have, that women do not. Take all the time you need. Thanks for playing! Let me remind you. We are at WW3 Right Now; on the Losing side. You will soon discover how "powerful" you are. Thanks again for playing!!
😂 Hi Shawn, Stay on topic, please. You said feminists hijacked the software. I asked how we did this. I'd really like to know so we can do it again. By the way, a lot of the men here happen to be feminists. Pretty cool, right?
I understand many men here are feminists. They are simply doing it as a mating strategy to curry favor with women. They do not understand that feminists HATE men. They simply USE men to do their dirty work. i.e. the muscle to brow beat other men into towing the feminist narrative.
Don't worry how feminists infiltrated the workplace. This will ALL be over Very soon. I can tell by your speech patterns and inflection you were never trained in the hard sciences.
Know that women have way overplayed their hand and WW3 is upon us. Your will live long enough to see the End of Feminism, as you know it. The end of those men, as well. Pretty Cool!!! Right!!!
Wow. My first substack block. Congratulations.
You must be vaccinated. Congratulations! Enjoy your little time left.
Interesting experiment - the AIs obviously could produce nudes in art but have been crippled by built-in censorship.
Thanks for uncovering this information. Artists might delight that AI is currently limited by filters or programming in its use of nudity and thus gives the artists a way of distinguishing their original works from AI creations. However, as you point out, the bigger issue may be how AI influences and reflects the way the human body and culture will be depicted in the future and how nudity may face another obstacle in being more generally accepted as a natural part of life.
A great article that should have a much wider audience in print and TV media. Please see my art posts on FB’s American Nudist Research Library where I have been talking about communal nudism in art (excluding photography due to social nudity prudery).
PS: I suggest picking a platform where you will get paid. Even an op-ed page in a newspaper will work, but also Atlantic Monthly or sonething like that.
I think this is a fascinating experiment to observe, thanks Evan for tackling it! I also feel like AI is still fresh and new and its full capacity hasn't even been thought of yet. It is a tool that we are constantly improving and altering and still catering to public laws and the conservative majority. Artists, I think, will break AI out of its shell and allow it to express humanity the way we want because that's what artists have always done- pushing the barrier, making the world change because we won't know what we don't see. And I don't think it's AI that is changing how we see ourselves and each other, it's our environments and experiences and it's AI that's reflecting that. Really interesting article though and I look forward to the fruition of AI in the world of art. But I'm not an artist, that's just my opinion
Thanks for this. Personally I feel that this highlights the subtle dangers that AI poses. While everyone considers the big issues like jobs being replaced by AI, many are missing the smaller changes and the effects AI decisions are having on society. My next blog talks about how we train AI and how important it is to challenge it when it gets things wrong. Otherwise things will change slowly and imperceptibly, and one day we will live in a world we don’t recognise and one we didn’t want.
I'm firmly against what we call 'AI', and the only reason we keep saying that it's a genie out of the bottle is that we're too lazy or greedy to slam it back in there. As an actual artist, everything about this so called 'AI' is infuriating.
All of the original pictures—the Manet, certainly, and the Picasso—have a lot of meaning that the AI didn't respond to. The exercise made me think of a passage in Bateson and Bateson's "Angels Fear." Gregory tells Mary Catherine that she's right: "We've gotten so far from the sacred that it's impossible to be sacrilegious." (Paraphrase.) I'm not sure exactly how it works in this context, but I think there is something of the sacred in art, and it doesn't survive translation by AI.
This is really interesting, thanks so much for the exploration and comparisons. If I were an historian, I would be buckling down on preservation right now for a number of reasons.
Generative art so far has failed to impress me, but I do see the threat it can hold for artists who earn a living through commercializing their talents. We've already seen some big lawsuits pop up...
But this is about nudity. I'm torn on whether to praise or deride the safety features. When I think of where revenge acts are now, an unchained AI could ruin a person in minutes. I read the other day about a 16-year-old who was the victim of a gang sexual assault in the Metaverse. Why is that even an option in VR? Is censorship of the human body worth someone's safety? Unfortunately, I don't think we will get it both ways.
Sorry to be the rain on the parade.
As an artist myself, I find this experiment interesting. I am a very visual person and not great with words (description of things in prompts). Because of this, I have found creating images with AI art platforms not a helpful medium for me at all. I had a colleague that was very good with words and could create amazing images with AI. As far as the concerns of nudity bias, like so many other things in life, I worry about future generations and how there world is expanding in many ways but drastically narrowing in others.